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	<title>Comments on: Spiralling Costs and Organics</title>
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		<title>By: claire</title>
		<link>http://icecreamireland.com/2008/01/24/spiralling-costs-and-organics/comment-page-1/#comment-53489</link>
		<dc:creator>claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a long time organic convert, and after the many years of eating organic at home, and out whenever possible, I feel that I can honestly say that in the majority of cases organic food tastes better. And with the recent oil crisis etc, conventional food has got much more expensive, while organic prices have remained mainly the same. Often there is little difference in cost. 

Local food is important, but if that local food is sprayed with pesticides and grown on chemically fertilised soils, then that local farmer is putting chemicals into your waterways and your environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a long time organic convert, and after the many years of eating organic at home, and out whenever possible, I feel that I can honestly say that in the majority of cases organic food tastes better. And with the recent oil crisis etc, conventional food has got much more expensive, while organic prices have remained mainly the same. Often there is little difference in cost. </p>
<p>Local food is important, but if that local food is sprayed with pesticides and grown on chemically fertilised soils, then that local farmer is putting chemicals into your waterways and your environment.</p>
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		<title>By: ConorB</title>
		<link>http://icecreamireland.com/2008/01/24/spiralling-costs-and-organics/comment-page-1/#comment-28844</link>
		<dc:creator>ConorB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad who runs a dairy farm in West Cork is delighted with the price increase. Dairy farmers have had a tough few years with really low prices. 

Regarding organic milk - I voted no. Most milk in Ireland is produced off grass. That is why Irish Butter has that lovely golden colour. While it might not be certified organic, in my book it is fairly close to pure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad who runs a dairy farm in West Cork is delighted with the price increase. Dairy farmers have had a tough few years with really low prices. </p>
<p>Regarding organic milk &#8211; I voted no. Most milk in Ireland is produced off grass. That is why Irish Butter has that lovely golden colour. While it might not be certified organic, in my book it is fairly close to pure.</p>
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		<title>By: An Fear Bolg</title>
		<link>http://icecreamireland.com/2008/01/24/spiralling-costs-and-organics/comment-page-1/#comment-28843</link>
		<dc:creator>An Fear Bolg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that your products are of such high quality that the addition of an &quot;organic&quot; tag won&#039;t have much effect either way.

Plus, supporting the Kerry cow and local producers is better and more important than supporting organic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that your products are of such high quality that the addition of an &#8220;organic&#8221; tag won&#8217;t have much effect either way.</p>
<p>Plus, supporting the Kerry cow and local producers is better and more important than supporting organic.</p>
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		<title>By: Sorina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a very nice blog, good post...keep up the good job</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a very nice blog, good post&#8230;keep up the good job</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran</title>
		<link>http://icecreamireland.com/2008/01/24/spiralling-costs-and-organics/comment-page-1/#comment-28821</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doubled! My God. I guess we got off easy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doubled! My God. I guess we got off easy!</p>
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		<title>By: lorraine@italianfoodies</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorraine@italianfoodies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were just talking about this, it&#039;s shocking how much the price of ingredients has increased. Pizza cheese and oo flour has nearly doubled in price since last year so likewise we have to have a price increase too which I know is never well recieved but unfortunately it has to happen. Regarding organic milk I don&#039;t think we could change over as I don&#039;t think the majority would be prepared to pay the extra, I would but I think we are in the minority tbh!!! Interesting to see though, let us know what you decide and how it works out!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were just talking about this, it&#8217;s shocking how much the price of ingredients has increased. Pizza cheese and oo flour has nearly doubled in price since last year so likewise we have to have a price increase too which I know is never well recieved but unfortunately it has to happen. Regarding organic milk I don&#8217;t think we could change over as I don&#8217;t think the majority would be prepared to pay the extra, I would but I think we are in the minority tbh!!! Interesting to see though, let us know what you decide and how it works out!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, guys! Thanks for your detailed thoughts. Much appreciated!

An Fear: I agree with you that organic doesn&#039;t necessarily mean it tastes better, but it often does, and I am talking about Glenisk milk in our coffees. And we&#039;re also concerned about that &quot;tipping point.&quot; It&#039;s a tough call though - if we&#039;re really trying to be the best, how far do we go without sending too many people away with price shock?

Deborah: We&#039;re using milk from the endangered Kerry cow for the ice cream, delivered by a local farmer. It&#039;s the best milk we have ever tasted. He&#039;s starting the process of going organic, and I&#039;d much rather support local farmers than bring organic ingredients in from far away. However, although we can pasteurise the Kerry milk for the ice cream, it wouldn&#039;t be practical for the coffees. Finally, we always have the option of skim and non sugar sweetener in our shops. In the high season we have soy milk as well. 

Tricia: Yes! Better taste and better feel-good factor.

Tracey: We&#039;re all about treating yourself and luxury. That&#039;s what we do! As for the raw milk, that&#039;s why we use the milk from the Kerry cow. 

mj: Those are real issues. Still, for us, it all comes down to taste (and, as I said, feel-good factor)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, guys! Thanks for your detailed thoughts. Much appreciated!</p>
<p>An Fear: I agree with you that organic doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean it tastes better, but it often does, and I am talking about Glenisk milk in our coffees. And we&#8217;re also concerned about that &#8220;tipping point.&#8221; It&#8217;s a tough call though &#8211; if we&#8217;re really trying to be the best, how far do we go without sending too many people away with price shock?</p>
<p>Deborah: We&#8217;re using milk from the endangered Kerry cow for the ice cream, delivered by a local farmer. It&#8217;s the best milk we have ever tasted. He&#8217;s starting the process of going organic, and I&#8217;d much rather support local farmers than bring organic ingredients in from far away. However, although we can pasteurise the Kerry milk for the ice cream, it wouldn&#8217;t be practical for the coffees. Finally, we always have the option of skim and non sugar sweetener in our shops. In the high season we have soy milk as well. </p>
<p>Tricia: Yes! Better taste and better feel-good factor.</p>
<p>Tracey: We&#8217;re all about treating yourself and luxury. That&#8217;s what we do! As for the raw milk, that&#8217;s why we use the milk from the Kerry cow. </p>
<p>mj: Those are real issues. Still, for us, it all comes down to taste (and, as I said, feel-good factor)</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
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		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not impressed with the &quot;organic&quot; thing. My reasoning is scientific in that for something to be declared organic it has to have this quality x. And for something to be not organic it has to have quality y. When these qualities are just variations on chemical z in parts per million then I find the whole thing to be somewhat of a marketing exercise and not really a health exercise.

The very fact that certification carries an annual fee and depends on your land being free from artificial fertilizers for N years (where N depends on the organisation offering the certification) makes it a mockery. Are these organic farms geographically isolated from roads, other farms, towns, the rain, the air, animals and other plants?

Organic produce: a load of old tosh.

But....yes, I think you should probably go organic. There&#039;s enough of an organic fad for you to improve your margins and attack a new niche. 

The pictures of your ice cream make me want to visit Dingle (which is about as far away as you can get from here without leaving the island!). I am a confessed ice cream addict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not impressed with the &#8220;organic&#8221; thing. My reasoning is scientific in that for something to be declared organic it has to have this quality x. And for something to be not organic it has to have quality y. When these qualities are just variations on chemical z in parts per million then I find the whole thing to be somewhat of a marketing exercise and not really a health exercise.</p>
<p>The very fact that certification carries an annual fee and depends on your land being free from artificial fertilizers for N years (where N depends on the organisation offering the certification) makes it a mockery. Are these organic farms geographically isolated from roads, other farms, towns, the rain, the air, animals and other plants?</p>
<p>Organic produce: a load of old tosh.</p>
<p>But&#8230;.yes, I think you should probably go organic. There&#8217;s enough of an organic fad for you to improve your margins and attack a new niche. </p>
<p>The pictures of your ice cream make me want to visit Dingle (which is about as far away as you can get from here without leaving the island!). I am a confessed ice cream addict.</p>
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